Exclusive Interview, Martin Baumgartel, From Library Automation to Search
February 23, 2009
For many years, Martin Baumgartel worked for a unit of T-Mobile. His experience spans traditional information retrieval and next-generation search. Stephen Arnold and Harry Collier interviewed Mr. Baumgartel on February 20, 2009. As one of the featured speakers at the premier search conference this spring, you will be able to hear Mr. Baumgartel’s lecture and meet with him in the networking and post presentation breaks. The Boston Search Engine Meeting attracts the world’s brightest minds and most influential companies to an “all content” program. You can learn more about the conference, the tutorials, and the speakers at the Infonortics Ltd. Web site. Unlike other conferences, the Boston Search Engine Meeting limits attendance in order to facilitate conversations and networking. Register early for this year’s conference.
What’s your background in search?
When I entered the search arena in the 1990s, I originated from library automation. Back then, it was all about indexing algorithms and relevance ranking where I did research to develop a search engine. During eight years at T-Systems, we analyzed the situation in large enterprises in order to provide the right search solution. This included, increasingly, the integration of semantic technologies. Given the present hype about semantic technologies, it has been a focus in current projects to determine which approach or product can deliver in specific search scenarios. A related problem is to identify underlying principles of user-interface-innovations to know what’s going to work (and what’s not).
What are the three major challenges you see in search / content processing in 2009?
Let me come at this in a non technical way. There are plenty of challenges awaiting algorithmic solutions, I see more important challenges here:
- Identifying the real objectives, fighting myths For an organization to implement internal search today hasn’t become any easier. There are numerous internal stakeholders, paired with a very high user expectation (they want the same quality as with Internet search, only better, more tailored to their work situation and without advertising…). To keep a sharp analysis becomes difficult in an orchestra of opinions, in particular when familiar brand names get involved (“Let’s just take Google internally, that will do.” )
- Avoid simplicity. Although many CIOs claim they have “cleaned up” their intranets, enterprise search remains complex; both technological and in terms of successful management. Therefore, to tackle the problem with a self-proclaimed simple solution (plug in, ready, go) will provide Search. But perhaps not the search solution needed and with hidden costs, especially on the long run. In the other extreme, a design too complex – with the purchase of dozens of connectors – is likely to burst your budget.
- Attention. Recently, I heard a lot about how the financial crisis will affect search. In my view, the effects are only reinforcing the challenge “How to draw enough management attention to Search to make sure it’s treated like other core assets”. Some customers might slow down the purchase of some SAP add-on modules or postpone a migration to the next version of Backup Software. But the status of those solutions among CIOs will remain high and un questioned.
With search / content processing decades old, what have been the principal barriers to resolving these challenges in the past?
There’s no unique definition of the ‘Enterprise Search Problem” as if it would be a math theorem. Therefore, you find somehow amorphous definitions about what is to be solved. Let’s take the scope of content to be searched: everything internal? And nothing external? Another obstacle is the widespread believe in shortcuts. Popular example: Let’s just index the content present in our internal content management system, the other content sources are irrelevant. That way, the concept of completeness in search/result set is sacrificed. But search can be as gruesome as the Marathon: you need endurance and there are no shortcuts. If you take a shortcut, you’ve failed.
What is your approach to problem solving in search and content processing?
Smarter software definitely, because the challenges in search (and there are more than three) are attracting programmers and innovators to come up with new solutions. But, in general, my approach is “keep your cool”. Assess the situation, analyze tools and environment, design the solution and explain it clearly. In the process, interfaces have to be improved sometimes in order to trim them down to fit with the corporate intranet design.
With the rapid change in the business climate, how will the increasing financial pressure on information technology affect search / content processing?
We’ll see how far a consolidation process will go. Perhaps we’ll see discontinued search products where we initially didn’t expect it. Also, the relation asked in the following question might be affected: software companies are unlikely to cut back at core features of their product. But integrated search functions are perhaps identified for the scalpel.
Search / content processing systems have been integrated into such diverse functions as business intelligence and customer support. Do you see search / content processing becoming increasingly integrated into enterprise applications?
I’ve seen it the other way around: Customer Support Managers told me (the Search person) that the built-in search-tool is ok but that they would like to look up additional information from some other internal applications. I don’t believe that built-in search will replace stand-alone search. The term “built-in” tells you that the main purpose of the application is something else. No surprise that, for instance, the user interface was designed for this main purpose – and will, in conclusion, not address typical needs of search.
Google has disrupted certain enterprise search markets with its appliance solution. What can a vendor do to adapt to this Google effect?
A vendor should point out where he differs from Google and why to address this Google-effect.
But I see Google as a significant player in enterprise search, if only for the mindset of procurement teams you describe in your question.
As you look forward, what are some new features / issues that you think will become more important in 2009?
The issue of cloudsourcing will gain traction. As a consequence, not only small and medium sized enterprises will discover that they might not invest in in house Content Management and Collaboration applications, but use a hosted service instead. This is when you need more than a “behind the firewall” search, because content will be scattered across multiple clouds (CRM cloud, Office cloud). I’m not sure whether we see a breakthrough there in 36 month; but the sooner the better.
Where can I find more information about your services and research?
http://www.linkedin.com/in/mbaumgartel
Stephen E. Arnold, www.arnoldit.com/sitemap.html and Harry Collier, www.infonortics.com
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