Microsoft, Deepseek, and OpenAI: An Interesting Mixture Like RDX?
February 10, 2025
We have smart software, but the dinobaby continues to do what 80 year olds do: Write the old-fashioned human way. We did give up clay tablets for a quill pen. Works okay.
I have successfully installed Deepseek and run some queries. The results seem okay, but most of the large language models we have installed have their strengths and weaknesses. What’s interesting about Deepseek is that it caused a bit of a financial squall when it was publicized during a Chinese dignitary’s visit to Colombia.
A short time after a high flying video card company lost a few bucks, an expert advising the new US administration suggested “there’s substantial evidence that Deepseek used OpenAI’s models to train its own.” This story appeared X.com via Fox. Another report said that Microsoft was investigating Deepseek. When I checked my newsfeed this morning (January 30, 2025), Slashdot pointed me to this story: “Microsoft makes Deepseek’s R1 Model Available on Azure AI and GitHub.”
Did Microsoft do a speedy investigation or is the inclusion of Deepseek in AzureAI and GitHub part of its investigation. Did loading up Deepseek kill everyone’s favorite version of Office on January 29, 2024? Probably not, but there is a lot of action in the AI space at Microsoft Town.
Let’s recap the stuff from the AI chemistry lab. First, we have the fascinating Sam AI-Man. With a deal of note because Oracle is in and Grok is out, OpenAI remains a partner with Microsoft. Second, Microsoft, fresh from bumper revenues, continues to embrace AI and demonstrate that a welcome mat is outside Satya Nadella’s door for AI outfits. Third, who stole what? AI companies have been viewed as information bandits by some outfits. Legal eagles cloud the sunny future of smart software.
What will these chemical elements combine to deliver? Let’s consider a few options.
- Like RDX a go-to compound for some kinetic applications, the elements combust.
- The legal eagles effectively grind innovation to a halt due to restrictions on Nvidia, access to US open source software, and getting in the way of the reinvigoration of the USA.
- Nothing. That’s right. The status quo chugs along with predictable ups and downs but nothing changes.
Net net: This will be an interesting techno-drama to watch in real time. On the other hand, I may wait until the Slice outfit does a documentary about the dust up, partnerships, and failed bro-love affairs.
Stephen E Arnold, February 10, 2025
FOGINT: Pavel Durov Offers a Fix for Lagging US Innovation
February 10, 2025
Yep, another dinobaby emission. No smart software required.
Pavel Durov, familiar to the US Securities & Exchange Commission and the French judiciary, has offered some advice to Americans. Mr. Durov founded Telegram, and he shared some ideas via is Du Rove Channel on Telegram. You can find the message at https://t.me/durov/394. (You do not need to have the Telegram mini app installed to read his post.) Mr. Durov’s message addresses the success of DeepSeek, and the lack of innovation in the United States. He believes that China will dominate the West without positioning his home country as a winner or a loser in AI innovation.
He points out:
Following the success of the Chinese startup Deepseek, many are surprised at how quickly China has caught up with the US in AI. However, China’s progress in algorithmic efficiency hasn’t come out of nothing. Chinese students have long outperformed others in math and programming at international Olympiads.
He then draws a parallel to inform Americans about the reason for the Chinese Deepseek achievement:
When it comes to producing outstanding performers in math and science, China’s secondary education system is superior to that of the West. It fosters fierce competition among students, a principle borrowed from the highly efficient Soviet model.
As you may know, Mr. Durov encountered some friction with Russian authorities when he operated VKontakte, the so-called Russian Facebook. Mr. Durov exited that company, bounced around looking for a suitable location for Telegram. He settled on Dubai and operated a service in order to make free speech a possibility for many people in the world.
Mr. Durov explains the difference between the outstanding Chinese and Russian educational systems and the American approach:
… most Western schools discourage competition, prohibiting public announcements of students’ grades and rankings. The rationale is understandable — to protect students from pressure or ridicule. However, such measures also predictably demotivate the best students. Victory and defeat are two sides of the same coin. Eliminate the losers — and you eliminate the winners.
Mr. Durov’s logic is that educational systems must allow the super achievers to fulfill their destiny. I want to point out that Mr. Durov is rumored to have fathered more than 100 children. Allegedly he will pay a suitable female breeder for the costs of artificial insemination. The idea is that supermen need to produce super children in order for the superior people to improve society.
He then makes clear why China will dominate the West:
Reality, unlike well-meaning school policies, does have public grades and rankings — whether in sports, business, science, or technology. AI benchmarks that demonstrate Deepseek’s superiority are one of such public rankings. And more are coming. Unless the US secondary education system undergoes radical reform, China’s growing dominance in technology seems inevitable.
Several observations are warranted:
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- The clever recasting of his name from Durov to Paul Du Rove is a brilliant play on words. Wordsmiths require time to find the precise way of delivering a bon mot. Mr. Durov has had some time to contemplate his means of expression. He has been confined to France since August 2024.
- His principles of freedom have been modified since his lengthy interview with the American (presumably one who has not fulfilled his intellectual capabilities due to a lack of competition) Tucker Carlson. In that interview, Mr. Durov expressed his commitment to freedom and resisting governmental pressure to compromise the security of Telegram users. However, shortly after the interview, Mr. Durov blocked Ukrainian government messages to Russian users of Telegram.
- Mr. Durov is now responsible for steering Telegram through a number of business challenges while incrementally increasing his cooperation with legal authorities interested in money laundering, human trafficking, and CSAM activities on Telegram.
To sum up, the message from Mr. Durov illustrates his staunch belief in the Chinese and Russian systems. He makes a case that better education generates more innovation. Words from a person under the control of the French judicial system speak volumes.
Stephen E Arnold, February 10, 2025
What Does One Do When Innovation Falters? Do the Me-Too Bop
February 10, 2025
Another dinobaby commentary. No smart software required.
I found the TechRadar story “In Surprise Move Microsoft Announces Deepseek R1 Is Coming to CoPilot+ PCs – Here’s How to Get It” an excellent example of bit tech innovation. The article states:
Microsoft has announced that, following the arrival of Deepseek R1 on Azure AI Foundry, you’ll soon be able to run an NPU-optimized version of Deepseek’s AI on your Copilot+ PC. This feature will roll out first to Qualcomm Snapdragon X machines, followed by Intel Core Ultra 200V laptops, and AMD AI chipsets.
Yep, me too, me too. The write up explains the ways in which one can use Deepseek, and I will leave taking that step to you. (On the other hand, navigate to Hugging Face and download it, or you could zip over to You.com and give it a try.)
The larger issue is not the speed with which Microsoft embraced the me too approach to innovation. For me, the decision illustrates the paucity of technical progress in one of the big technology giants. You know, Microsoft, the originator of Bob and the favorite software company of bad actors who advertise their malware on Telegram.
Several observations:
- It doesn’t matter how the Chinese start up nurtured by a venture capital firm got Deepseek to work. The Chinese outfit did it. Bang. The export controls and the myth of trillions of dollars to scale up disappeared. Poof.
- No US outfit — with or without US government support — was in the hockey rink when the Chinese team showed up and blasted a goal in the first few minutes of a global game. Buzz. 1 to zip. The question is, “Why not?” and “What’s happened since Microsoft triggered the crazy Code Red or whatever at the Google?” Answer: Burning money quickly.
- More pointedly, are the “innovations” in AI touted by Product Hunt and podcasters innovations? What if these are little more than wrappers with some snappy names? Answer: A reminder that technical training and some tactical kung fu can deliver a heck of a punch.
Net net: Deepseek was a tactical foray or probe. The data are in. Microsoft will install Chinese software in its global software empire. That’s interesting, and it underscores the problem of me to. Innovation takes more than raising prices and hiring a PR firm.
Stephen E Arnold, February 10, 2025
Deepseek: Details Surface Amid Soft Numbers
February 7, 2025
We have smart software, but the dinobaby continues to do what 80 year olds do: Write the old-fashioned human way. We did give up clay tablets for a quill pen. Works okay.
I read “Research exposes Deepseek’s AI Training Cost Is Not $6M, It’s a Staggering $1.3B.” The assertions in the write up are interesting and closer to the actual cost of the Deepseek open source smart software. Let’s take a look at the allegedly accurate and verifiable information. Then I want to point out two costs not included in the estimated cost of Deepseek.
The article explains that the analysis for training was closer to $1.3 billion. I am not sure if this estimate is on the money, but a higher cost is certainly understandable based on the money burning activities of outfits like Microsoft, OpenAI, Facebook / Meta, and the Google, among others.
The article says:
In its latest report, SemiAnalysis, an independent research company, has spotlighted Deepseek, a rising player in the AI landscape. The SemiAnalysis challenges some of the prevailing narratives surrounding Deepseek’s costs and compares them to competing technologies in the market. One of the most prominent claims in circulation is that Deepseek V3 incurs a training cost of around $6 million.
One important point is that building and making available for free a smart software system incurs many costs. The consulting firm has narrowed its focus to training costs.
The write up reports:
The $6 million estimate primarily considers GPU pre-training expenses, neglecting the significant investments in research and development, infrastructure, and other essential costs accruing to the company. The report highlights that Deepseek’s total server capital expenditure (CapEx) amounts to an astonishing $1.3 billion. Much of this financial commitment is directed toward operating and maintaining its extensive GPU clusters, the backbone of its computational power.
But “astonishing.” Nope. Sam AI-Man tossed around numbers in the trillions. I am not sure we will ever know how much Amazon, Facebook, Google, and Microsoft — to name four outfits — have spent in the push to win the AI war, get a new monopoly, and control everything from baby cams to zebra protection in South Africa.
I do agree that the low ball number was low, but I think the pitch for this low ball was a tactic designed to see what a Chinese-backed AI product could do to the US financial markets.
There are some costs that neither the SemiAnalytics outfit or the Interesting Engineering wordsmith considered.
First, if you take a look at the authors of the Deepseek ArXiv papers you will see a lot of names. Most of these individuals are affiliated with Chinese universities. How we these costs handled? My hunch is that the costs were paid by the Chinese government and the authors of the paper did what was necessary to figure out how to come up with a “do more for less” system. The idea is that China, hampered by US export restrictions, is better at AI than the mythological Silicon Valley. Okay, that’s a good intelligence operation: Test destabilization with a reasonably believable free software gilded with AI sparklies. But the costs? Staff, overhead, and whatever perks go with being a wizard at a Chinese university have to be counted, multiplied by the time required to get the system to work mostly, and then included in the statement of accounts. These steps have not been taken, but a company named Complete Analytics should do the work.
Second, what was the cost of the social media campaign that made Deepseek more visible than the head referee of the Kansas City Chiefs and Philadelphia Eagle game? That cost has not been considered. Someone should grind through the posts, count the authors or their handles, and produce an estimate. As far as I know, there is no information about who is a paid promoter of Deepseek.
Third, how much did the electricity to get DeepSeek to do its tricks? We must not forget the power at the universities, the research labs, and the laptops. Technology Review has some thoughts along this power line.
Finally, what’s the cost of the overhead. I am thinking about the planning time, the lunches, the meetings, and the back and forth needed to get Deepseek on track to coincide with the new president’s push to make China not so great again? We have nothing. We need a firm called SpeculativeAnalytics for this task or maybe MasterCard can lend a hand?
Net net: The Deepseek operation worked. The recriminations, the allegations, and the explanations will begin. I am not sure they will have as much impact as this China smart, US dumb strategy. Plus, that SemiAnalytics’ name is a hoot.
Stephen E Arnold, February 7, 2025
VPNs May Become a Problem for Bargain Hunters
February 7, 2025
Do you love online shopping? What am I talking about, you’re on the Internet, so, of course, you do. If you’re in the mood to shop and you use a VPN, I have some bad news to you via PC Mag: “Holiday Shopping? These Sites May Block VPN Users, Cancel Purchases.” The holiday season is over and everyone is recovering from their credit card bills, but that doesn’t stop you from buying groceries and other essentials online.
Valentine’s Day is almost upon us. Will VPN blocking kill Cupid’s ardor for clicking?
What else are you going to do during a snowy day? Your beloved VPN that protects your IP and allows you to watch shows unavailable on Netflix, Hulu, and other streaming Web sites could prevent you from buying more stuff.
Why?
Kate Irwin investigated this issue when she was in the market for a new laptop case. She purchased one over her VPN using her Proton Mail account from Corsair. Proton Mail allows users to have an alias, which is what Irwin used during her first attempt. The order was canceled. She used her real account, but her order was canceled a second and third time. Her attempts ended with:
"Corsair may be blocking VPNs because scammers use them when attempting credit card fraud. They might also cancel orders that don’t get text confirmations from the buyer (though using text verification isn’t all that secure because of SIM-swapping attacks). Corsair also said in its automated email that trying to send an order to a shipping company’s address could get it cancelled, but I hadn’t done that (and I reached out to Corsair for comment).”
Amazon, eBay, and other popular Web sites might be blocking VPNs. Many of these Web sites don’t prohibit using a VPN, but they block them because of security reasons. Bad actors use multiple accounts and VPNS to engage in fraudulent activity, such as scams, fake listings, and fake purchases.
The VPNs are blocked because you’re using a “dirty” IP. There are a limited number of IPs and the one you’ve selected is tied to malicious activities. You can get around the issue with a dedicated IP, using an IP within your country, or turn it on and off while you’re shopping. That’s probably the easiest method.
VPNs may be viewed as a problem which must be solved by a mysterious online intermediary blocking and filtering to make life better for shoppers everywhere. And the merchants? Oh, the merchants will benefit too.
Whitney Grace, February 7, 2025
Acquiring AWS Credentials—Let Us Count the Ways
February 7, 2025
Will bad actors interested in poking around Amazon Web Services find the Wiz’s write up interesting? The answer is that the end of this blog post.
Cloud security firm Wiz shares an informative blog post: "The Many Ways to Obtain Credentials in AWS." It is a write-up that helps everyone: customers, Amazon, developers, cybersecurity workers, and even bad actors. We have not seen a similar write up about Telegram, however. Why publish such a guide to gaining IAM role and other AWS credentials? Why, to help guard against would- be hackers who might use these methods, of course.
Writer Scott Piper describes several services and features one might use to gain access: Certain AWS SDK credential providers; the Default Host Management Configuration; Systems Manager hybrid activation; the Internet of Things credentials provider; IAM Roles Anywhere; Cognito’s API, GetCredentialsForIdentity; and good old Datasync. The post concludes:
"There are many ways that compute services on AWS obtain their credentials and there are many features and services that have special credentials. This can result in a single EC2 having multiple IAM principals accessible from it. In order to detect attackers, we need to know the various ways they might attempt to obtain these credentials. This article has shown how this is not a simple problem and requires defenders to have just as much, if not more, expertise as attackers in credential access."
So true. Especially with handy cheat sheets like this one available online. Based in New York, New York, Wiz was founded in 2020.
Will bad actors find the Wiz’s post interesting? Answer: Yes but probably less interesting than a certain companion of Mr. Bezos’ fashion sense. But not by much.
Cynthia Murrell, February 7, 2025
China Smart, US Dumb: The Deepseek Foray into Destabilization of AI Investment
February 6, 2025
Yep, a dinobaby wrote this blog post. Replace me with a subscription service or a contract worker from Fiverr. See if I care.
I have published a few blog posts about the Chinese information warfare directed at the US. Examples have included videos of a farm girl with primitive tools repairing complex machinery, the carpeting of ArXiv with papers about Deepseek’s AI innovations, and the stories in the South China Morning Post about assorted US technology issues.
Thanks You.com. Pretty good illustration.
Now the Deepseek foray is delivering fungible results. Numerous articles appeared on January 27, 2025, pegged to the impact of the Deepseek smart software on the US AI sector. A representative article is “China’s Deepseek Sparks AI Market Rout.”
The trusted real news outfit said:
Technology shares around the world slid on Monday as a surge in popularity of a Chinese discount artificial intelligence model shook investors’ faith in the AI sector’s voracious demand for high-tech chips. Startup Deepseek has rolled out a free assistant it says uses lower-cost chips and less data, seemingly challenging a widespread bet in financial markets that AI will drive demand along a supply chain from chipmakers to data centres.
Facebook ripped a page from the Google leadership team’s playbook. According to “Meta Scrambles After Chinese AI Equals Its Own, Upending Silicon Valley,” the Zuckerberg outfit assembled four “war rooms” to figure out how a Chinese open source AI could become such a big problem from out of the blue.
I find it difficult to believe that big US outfits were unaware of China’s interest in smart software. Furthermore, the Deepseek team made quite clear by listing dozens upon dozens of AI experts who contributed to the Deepseek effort. But who in US AI land has time to cross correlate the names of the researchers in the ArXiv essays to ask, “What are these folks doing to output cheaper AI models?”
Several observations are warranted:
- The effect of this foray has been to cause an immediate and direct concern about US AI firms’ ability to reduce costs. China allegedly has rolled out a good model at a lower price. Price competition comes in many forms. In this case, China can use less modern components to produce more modern AI. If you want to see how this works for basic equipment navigate to “Genius Girl Builds Amazing Hydroelectric Power Station For An Elderly Living Alone in the Mountains.” Deepseek is this information warfare tactic in the smart software space.
- The mechanism for the foray was open source. I have heard many times from some very smart people that open source is the future. Maybe that’s true. We now have an example of open source creating a credibility problem for established US big technology outfits who use open source to publicize how smart and good they are, prove they can do great work, and appear to be “community” minded. Deepseek just posted software that showed a small venture firm was able to do what US big technology has done at a fraction of the cost. Chinese business understands price and cost centric methods. This is the cost angle driven through the heart of scaling up solutions. Like giant US trucks, the approach is expensive and at some point will collapses of its own bloated framework.
- The foray has been broken into four parts: [a] The arXiv thrust, [b] the free and open source software thrust which begs the question, “What’s next from this venture firm?”, [c] the social media play with posts ballooning on BlueSky, Telegram, and Twitter, [d] the real journalism outfits like Bloomberg and Reuters yapping about AI innovation. The four-part thrust is effective.
China’s made the US approach to smart software look incredibly stupid. I don’t believe that a small group of hard workers at a venture firm cooked up the Deepseek method. The number of authors on the arXiv Deepseek papers make that clear.
With one deft, non kinetic, non militaristic foray, China has amplified doubt about US AI methods. The action has chopped big bucks from outfits like Nvidia. Plus China has combined its playbook for lower costs and better prices with information warfare. I am not sure that Silicon Valley type outfits have a response to roll out quickly. The foray has returned useful intelligence to China.
Net net: More AI will be coming to destabilize the Silicon Valley way.
Stephen E Arnold, February 6, 2025
Several Security Pitfalls to Avoid in Software Design
February 6, 2025
Developers concerned about security should check out "Seven Types of Security Issues in Software Design" at InsBug. The article does leave out a few points we would have included. Using Microsoft software, for example, or paying for cyber security solutions that don’t work as licensees believe. And don’t forget engineering for security rather than expediency and cost savings. Nevertheless, the post makes some good points. It begins:
"Software is gradually defining everything, and its forms are becoming increasingly diverse. Software is no longer limited to the applications or apps we see on computers or smartphones. It is now an integral part of hardware devices and many unseen areas, such as cars, televisions, airplanes, warehouses, cash registers, and more. Besides sensors and other electronic components, the actions and data of hardware often rely on software, whether in small amounts of code or in hidden or visible forms. Regardless of the type of software, the development process inevitably encounters bugs that need to be identified and fixed. While major bugs are often detected and resolved before release or deployment by developers or testers, security vulnerabilities don’t always receive the same attention."
Sad but true. The seven categories include: Misunderstanding of Security Protection Technologies; Component Integration and Hidden Security Designs; Ignoring Security in System Design; Security Risks from Poor Exception Handling; Discontinuous or Inconsistent Trust Relationships; Over-Reliance on Single-Point Security Measures; and Insufficient Assessment of Scenarios or Environments. See the write-up for details on each point. We note a common thread—a lack of foresight. The post concludes:
"To minimize security risks and vulnerabilities in software design and development, one must possess solid technical expertise and a robust background in security offense and defense. Developing secure software is akin to crafting fine art — it requires meticulous thought, constant consideration of potential threats, and thoughtful design solutions. This makes upfront security design critically important."
Security should not be an afterthought. But after a breach, it is going to be fixed. Oh, the check is in the mail.
Cynthia Murrell, February 6, 2025
Online Generates Fans and Only Fans
February 6, 2025
Ah, the World Wide Web—virtual land of opportunity! For example, as Canada’s CBC reports, "Olympians Are Turning to OnlyFans to Fund Dreams as they Face a ‘Broken’ Finance System." Because paying athletes to compete tarnishes the Olympic ideal, obviously. Never mind the big bucks raked in by the Olympic Committee. It’s the principle of the thing. We learn:
"Dire financial straits are leading droves of Olympic athletes to sell images of their bodies to subscribers on OnlyFans — known for sexually explicit content — to sustain their dreams of gold at the Games. As they struggle to make ends meet, a spotlight is being cast on an Olympics funding system that watchdog groups condemn as ‘broken,’ claiming most athletes ‘can barely pay their rent.’ The Olympics, the world’s biggest sporting stage, bring in billions of dollars in TV rights, ticket sales and sponsorship, but most athletes must fend for themselves financially."
But wait, what about those Olympians like Michael Phelps and Simone Biles who make millions? Success stories like theirs are few. The article shares anecdotes of athletes who have taken the Only Fans route. They are now able to pay their bills, including thousands of dollars in expenses like coaching, physical therapy, and equipment. However, in doing so they face social stigma. None are doing this because they want to, opines Mexican diver Diego Balleza Isaias, but because they have to.
Why are the world’s top athletes selling (images of) their finely honed bodies to pay the bills? The write-up cites comments from the director of Global Athlete, an athlete-founded organization addressing the power imbalance in sports:
"’The entire funding model for Olympic sport is broken. The IOC generates now over $1.7 billion US per year and they refuse to pay athletes who attend the Olympics,’ said Rob Koehler, Global Athlete’s director general. He criticized the IOC for forcing athletes to sign away their image rights. ‘The majority of athletes can barely pay their rent, yet the IOC, national Olympic committees and national federations that oversee the sport have employees making over six figures. They all are making money off the backs of athletes."
Will this trend prompt the Olympic Committee to change its ways? Or will it just make a rule against the practice and try to sweep this whole chapter under the mat? The corroding Olympic medals complement this story too.
Cynthia Murrell, February 6, 2025
Telegram Speed Dates a Bad Actor: Pavel Durov and Judgment or Lack Thereof
February 5, 2025
Another non smart software write up from a real, authentic dinobaby.
Pavel Durov has had a rocky start to 2025. He may have about 100 loving children. He has his brother Nikolai’s support. He has pals from his days at VKontakte. And he has new friends from the French judiciary urging him to embrace some opportunities for freedom. That private jet is waiting. The sunny skies of Dubai beckon.
But another decision may come to haunt him. Telegram and the TON Foundation’s BFF has been busted. According to the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, one of the outfits shepherding the Ku Group and its KuCoin operations said, “Yep, we are guilty of unlicensed money transmitting business.”
As a dinobaby, I think the statement in “KuCoin Pleads Guilty to Unlicensed Money Transmission Charge and Agres to Pay Penalties Totaling Nearly $300 Million” means in rural Kentucky speak something like “money laundering.” The official news release explains:
U.S. Attorney Danielle R. Sassoon said: “For years, KuCoin avoided implementing required anti-money laundering policies designed to identify criminal actors and prevent illicit transactions. As a result, KuCoin was used to facilitate billions of dollars’ worth of suspicious transactions and to transmit potentially criminal proceeds, including proceeds from darknet markets and malware, ransomware, and fraud schemes. Today’s guilty plea and penalties show the cost of refusing to follow these laws and allowing unlawful activity to continue.”
Pavel Durov’s proxy outfit the Open Network Foundation showcased Ku Group at the November 2024 Gateway Conference in Dubai. Ku Group’s then-CEO (apparently not called out in the official statement issued on January 27, 2025, by the southern district) sparkled with optimism about the tie up between the owner of the Messenger mini app and the Peken Global Limited / Ku Group operation.
The news release points out:
KuCoin was founded in or about September 2017. Since its founding in 2017, KuCoin has become one of the largest global cryptocurrency exchange platforms, with more than 30 million customers and billions of dollars’ worth of cryptocurrency in daily trading volume. Between in or about September 2017 and in or about March 2024, the date of the Indictment, KuCoin served approximately 1.5 million registered users who were located in the U.S., and earned at least approximately $184.5 million in fees from those U.S. registered users.
Some of Ku Group’s services included, according to the official AG statement placing:
orders for spot trades in cryptocurrencies, including Bitcoin, Ethereum, and others, and orders for derivative products, including futures contracts, tied to the value of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. As a result of its operation of this business, KuCoin has, at all relevant times, been a money transmitting business required to register with FinCEN and reported suspicious transactions.
The November BFF moments between Ku Group and Telegram’s proxy organization make clear that the Messenger app is a clever and versatile technology system. It is also now clear that the intent of some of Telegram’s announcements is possibly going against the established financial systems methods of serving their customers.
For now, Chun (Michael) Gan and Ke (Eric) Tang have suffered a set back. Will the Peken Global and Ku Group disappear? Possibly. However, the Ku Group’s and Telegram’s vision of a Web3 financial services entity is likely to thrive. Will the French judiciary amp up their discussions with Pavel Durov? Will the United Arab Emirates take a closer look at the Telegram operation which has a nominal headquarters in Dubai? Will the Swiss authorities pay a visit to the TON Foundation’s office in Zug, Switzerland? Will bad actors change their ways of hiding money in digital form?
Good questions. I think the French are on the job. The other entities may be reluctant to rock the good ship Telegram too much more. Could those folks have a vision for a financial system cut loose from traditional ways to do money business?
My thought is that BRICS, Russia, China, and some influential people have a goal. Telegram and the Ku Group were players, not leaders.
Stephen E Arnold, January 5, 2025
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